Saturday, August 16, 2008

Hard Stance - Face Reality (1988)



Hard Stance were a straight edge hardcore band from California in the late 80's. Their sound is fairly typical of the sound from from out there. Old-School-ish mid to fast tempo hardcore. Done mostly pretty good.

I hadn't heard this EP until more recently. I had known of the bands existence for some time. Like a lot of people know, it's the band with Zach Del La Rocha in it. And that's cool. He plays guitar like he did for Farside shortly after. That was a brief moment before his rise with Rage Against The Machine. The bands pedigree is deeper than that. The connections are many and some of the bands that these guys have been involved in might be more the reason for the interest in this EP, than just Zach De La Rocha. The Haworth brothers went to play in State of the Nation, a really good post-hardcore band. The drummer went to play in Chain of Strength, continuing the Hard Stance sound and aesthetic (read hard-line straightedge), but with more of a NYHC youth crew influence. And one of the two brothers were in the band Farside who played more of a rocking punk vibe. I guess we cant forget Inside Out, which is an amazing EP and is probably ubiquitous at this point, but No Spiritual Surrender is a classic.

Thats mostly what I have known / learned. It's cool to finally hear this EP and while it doesnt hold a candle to members later projects it is a cool entry into the history of Hardcore. People had requested this too, so this ones for you. We should talk about Outspoken after this. They were a great Cali hardcore band from this time.

You know what the best thing is?

I was drinking a beer while doing this post.

xBEERx

58 Comments:

Blogger enlinea said...

sXe HxC is so intense, thanks for sharing.

For those who dig math rock jams, here's the New Don Caballero album - punkgasm http://www.zshare.net/download/17068330c34019b5/

If anyone has north of america - This is Dance Floor Numerology or the sepultura ep, will be highly appreciated

8:50 PM  
Blogger sweet baby jaysus said...

speaking of inside out/chain of strength, chris bratton was in wool with the stahl brothers from scream. also along these lines, you don't happen to have any resurection do you? it's dan and ari from lifetime, chris daly from shelter/108/jets to brazil, and rob fish of 108, i've recently found out about them and have become a bit curious.
also. things have been hectic this week, but i will make sure to get off your 7"s this week. i promise.
also check my blog tomorrow, i should have the recent re-stocks up for the record store if there might be something else you want me to pick up and send to you.

10:00 PM  
Blogger papstar said...

resurrection is awesome. They are supposed to have a discography coming out this summer on Deathwish, but I haven't seen or heard anything. I used to have the I Refuse Lp on my hard drive, but I have no idea what happened to it. Would be awesome if someone upped it.

Btw, Tim, Have you heard the new Overcast album? I didn't even know they reunited...

11:39 PM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

He, he... I was just thinking of doing a Hard Stance post the other day. This is an awesome 7". Pretty much all the Workshed stuff was great. Have you ever heard of Blackspot, another Workshed band?

12:45 AM  
Blogger Stephen said...

when mediafire starts working again, i can up that ressurection record (provided no one beats me to it).

2:04 AM  
Blogger Jared Dillon said...

drinking a beer while doing this post.

xBEERx

3:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seeing this was like Christmas morning. Thanks a ton for posting Hardstance - Face Reality. You have no idea how long and often I have been searching for this on-line. No one has this, I mean not, except you now. I am so happy - thanks for making my day!! I have the 7", but wanted to avoid buying an MP3 turntable to convert it myself. You are awesome. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. You don't happen to have their other 7" do you that you could post. I believe they have a total of 2 - this on and another that is self-titled.

9:50 AM  
Blogger blend77 said...

haha! especially if you notice the time. ^_^

Duuuude! Thanks for Punkgasm! I am a huge Don Cab fan. I miss Ian Williams though, and I do not like Battles nearly as much, but Damon is still unbelievable and the last Don Cab was decent.

Ressurection was awesome. They mispelled their name for some reason, but kept it that way. Rob Fish sounds exactly the same on I Refuse. They had a real Rorschach sort of sound. Not as evil though. Rorschach goes New Age?

Ari and Dan only played on their first comp stuff. I dont have that stuff, but it looks like they are coming out with a discography this summer. I never heard the 7's before I Refuse. I think they were out of print by the time I got into Ressurection.

Hey Sven! how was Vancouver? You should post Hard Stance. You probably have more interesting stuff to say.

no worries on those 7's, whenever you get time. I have to go find a new needle before I can play em anyway. Thanks for grabbin em for me!

10:02 AM  
Blogger blend77 said...

Hey Mr. Anonymous, I dont have that other one. I just found this one a few weeks ago. But I surely found it on one of the blogs on the right. I had always wanted to hear it but never came across it until the internet. Maybe Sven has it ^_^

Heres Ressurection - I Refuse.
http://www.mediafire.com/?zoermyj02um

Thats all I have by them. And Paps! I havent heard that new one yet, but I am eager to find out if/how much they've changed. I hope they dont change a thing.

10:08 AM  
Blogger Jon said...

Hi all. Blend77, thanks for posting Face Reality by Hard Stance, I think that is a great 7" As for Mr. Anonymous, Hard Stance does have another 7" - it was released by Conversion Records and consists of 4 songs. I would love to hunt this down myself. Does anyone have this one that could post it?

10:41 AM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

Jon (everyone), I have a few more songs that I found on the interwebs the other day. I believe that is their Conversion stuff, but I can't be sure, because I don't have a physical copy. Also, I'd like to give credit where it is due, but I can honestly not remember where I downloaded this. Anyway, I'll put a link here and on Prediction-Error when I get home. BTW: When googling this just now, one of the first hits was an e-bay auction for a Hard Stance CD(!) from Conversion records. The image is not very useful, but the black cover background suggests that it includes the Face Reality 7". So my guess is that this combines their whole output on one CD(?!?)

11:39 AM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

P.S.: I wonder how many of the members of this band were drinking beer while you made this post... (true 'til death, he he!)
xXLuciferyellowXx

11:52 AM  
Blogger Jon said...

by the way luciferyellow - regarding your previous comments, I have not heard blackspot, but since you mention it and they are from Workshed, I would love to hear them. Do you have any of their stuff your could post?

12:04 PM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

So, I guess I couldn't let that go and I had to track down where I got these "other" Hard Stance tracks. And once again, the Russians are coming through for obscure hardcore. They definitely know their Cali-Hardcore in Wladiwostok...

http://community.livejournal.com/spirit_of_youth/

Not much of a write-up, but a list of all the later classic bands included. No-nonsense, straight to the point.

1:07 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

Now my Hard Stance collecton is complete!! Thanks luciferyellow...you must have a trick to finding things. I have searched for weeks and could find nothing on Hard Stance - now I have both 7" in 2 days thanks to Blend77 and yourself!!!

4:31 PM  
Blogger proven hollow said...

the russians have everything...haha. i often times say that. if there is ANYTHING i am ever looking for and can;t find easily, the "russians" will most definitely have it.

workshed records put out some quality fucking records. no doubt. there's werent a ton of them, it would be cool if someone just posted everything from the label. shit, i could if i wasnt so damn lazy. some quality ones off the top of my head (in addition to hard stance) would be headfirst (duh), shocking truth, carry nation, voicebox...good stuff.

danO' could do no wrong there for awhile....and then...well............

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone have anything from a HC band Forced Down?

4:37 PM  
Blogger sweet baby jaysus said...

goddamn ruskies, first they post all the obscure hardcore then they have to go invade georgia like it used to belong to them or something. d'oh.

4:41 PM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

yeah, i got some Forced Down; i think i downloaded it from some Russian site (seriously)

6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I checked out that Russian site for Forced Down, couldn't locate it. Would you know where to look on that site?

7:19 PM  
Blogger blend77 said...

Russians in Hotlanta? ^_~

I think Luciferyellow has Forced Down.. or was it Failure Face? Well, I have them both, either way. I'll get to that tomorrow.

Lucifer also posted the Head First stuff... Prediction-Error-Signal. The link is on the right.

7:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for all your doing for the Hardcore community. You both have the absolute best sites for true hardcore fans!! Thanks a ton for getting Forced Down posted when you can.

7:39 PM  
Anonymous maize said...

whats up fellas! see the place is still chugging along!

8:30 PM  
Blogger blend77 said...

yo maize! Whatsup man? I havent heard from you in a while. Good to see you back!

10:23 PM  
Blogger sweet baby jaysus said...

well tim, i put together a package for you today, more than likely will have a chance to send it to you on wednesday, i think you are going to be happy. ha.
oh and if you haven't listened to the shivering, by god man, get a hold of some soon, so good.

10:34 PM  
Blogger *#..(brad said...

blend, you know what's weird.... i haven't listened to any of my records for a while and i just threw on my unloved and weeded out 7" and noticed that homesong has a sample of some movie before it. that's all i have to say about hardstance and drugs.

11:01 PM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

Well, dear Anonymous, I said SOME Russian site, not that particular one... Anyway, my memory served me wrong. I actually downloaded it from the awesome COREGASM blog (Zen has a link on the right). If his link isn't working anymore, write me; but otherwise I feel a bit weird re-upping other people's rips. In any case, COREGASM is great, so check that out.

11:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Blend77, will you still be posting Forced Down? I went to Coregasm's site but the link is now invalid.

8:30 AM  
Blogger blend77 said...

yea sure, i need to go get some coffee, then i'll toss it up... though Sven could probably make a better post out of it. I dont have much knowledge of the band beyond them being good. I guess the main thing is I dont have much emotional attachment to it to make a good writeup. I'll just post it here, and Sven, if you want to grab the link, if youre inspired to use it for a post, then go for it.

9:52 AM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

Tim, I appreciate the assist for the easy lay-up, but I feel like you: I need coffee first.
Ah, no, that's not it...
Seriously, I also have no emotional attachment to the band and know nothing about them. So all I could do is re-up Coregasm's rip as a public service to fellow HC connoisseurs.

10:20 AM  
Blogger proven hollow said...

might as well put up the amenity discography while you are at it. if you are getting your forced down on. i always wanted to really like both forced down and amenity, but i jut never could fully get into it. the forced down 7"s had the absolute THICKEST 7" packaging ever...haha. those things couldnt even fit in the double 7" plastic sleeves. i swear it was the thickest paper and the thickest vinyl ever. it was packaging crazyness before all the "heroin/gravity hand drawings on a paper plate covered in toilet paper and then stapled together" packaging style that unfortunately became oh so popular.

12:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Public Services are great - especially when posting forced down for fellow HC connoisseurs. Thanks - I look forward to it! They are a great band, give them a listen - you will love them!

2:13 PM  
Blogger blend77 said...

Forced Down - Mortal (Discography)
http://www.mediafire.com/?pw7kvbjiumb

Yeah, this is decent, not amazing though.
I like Gravity artwork and some of the packaging, but not the cheap vinyl and not the shitty folded paper packaging. The Heroin 7" was packaged cool. I liked the shitty screenprinted graphic and the paper bag sleeve. That style has its moments. Now the Current - Coliseum packaging is some of the worst in my collection. A shitty paper folded in half with a shitty xeroxed image and shitty liner notes. haha!! One of the greatest records ever though!

2:16 PM  
Blogger blend77 said...

hey anonymous... who are you?

3:48 PM  
Blogger sweet baby jaysus said...

said appollodorous "what's this i've constructed"
said from appollodourous "you come from damascus"
"i am...coliseum."
we will defy mathemeticians.

6:28 PM  
Blogger blend77 said...

nice one! I was thinking of extracting that album from the disco and posting as is. I need to scan the cover though, cuz I cant find the OG one anywhere except Council...

and dude, thanks for sending that stuff! I am so psyched!

7:03 PM  
Blogger sweet baby jaysus said...

i'll be sending it out tomorrow morning so hopefully by the weekend it will be there. there's a few surprises in there.
you should totally do a coliseum post, such a phenomenal record, i'm pretty sure there are real covers though not just xeroxed, not saying yours isn't real, you know what i'm saying, earlier edition lucky enough to make it inside a sleeve "real". it would also go well with the chino horde lp post. maybe i'll do an ordination of aaron lp post just to keep the spirit alive. like a council records round up. the early years! such a shame they shut down again. i wish i could track down some calvary, just to know what it sounds like. everytime i think i'm close it turns out to be nothing.

7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a nostalgic former straight edger from SLC, Utah. I have been looking to converting all my old vinyl to mp3's but that would mean I have to buy an MP3 turntable. Thanks to the assistance of you and your incredible site, I have saved a lot of time and money. I do have a lot of vinly. If you are interested, let me know.

10:04 PM  
Blogger Leeaction said...

Ive been looking for this record for years, thanks for posting it up.

3:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's about time someone posts Hard Stance, you won't believe how rare it is to come across this on-line. Beautiful, thanks for posting this!

5:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My buddy just directed me to your site - I have been searching for ever for Hard Stance, I am pleased to say my search is over. I am in Hard Stance euphoria right now.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello fellow hardcore addicts. Thanks for the Hard Stance post. Glad to see it finally posted after all these years of my painstakenly trying to find it to no end.

11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hell yes! thank you thank you thank you for this post. this brings me back

12:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOO HOO - I have finally come across Hard Stance. Hard to believe other hardcore sites haven't posted this. Thanks Zen Face Punch

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love your site - love the Hard Stance post

9:49 AM  
Blogger xtimmyx said...

found another Hard Stance release here... http://x43x.blogspot.com/2008/08/hard-stance.html

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as xtimmyx advised, x43x has also posted Hard Stance. Good information on both write-ups.

12:00 AM  
Blogger xtimmyx said...

anyone have the Tenfold/Sum of All Fears 7"?

or any Tenfold?
or any Sum of All Fears, for that matter?
awesome.

4:02 AM  
Blogger blend77 said...

sorry xtimmyx, I dont have either of those, but thanks for the link to x43x. I have them linked on the side. Good site.

My name is Tim too, by the way...

7:43 PM  
Blogger xtimmyx said...

and you've mentioned the Tune Inn i believe? i grew up in Hartford.

9:47 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

Hi Tim - or anyone else subscribed to these comments. Does anyone have the Downcast LP? Death Metal Dan has it, but the quality is not the greatest (he even said so himself, not being ungrateful!!)

9:14 AM  
Blogger Jon said...

P.S. - your Hard Stance post sure did become quite the message board huh!!

9:14 AM  
Blogger blend77 said...

hey jon, i have it too, I have not ripped my copy. But I will at some point for my own listening pleasure. I just dont have the means to rip vinyl properly at this point (see my Absinthe post for example - its listenable, but it doesnt sound "rich" if that makes sense...)

yeah, i think these comments function as message boards just as well. They just have the benefit of being hidden unless people want to participate...

10:51 PM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

Jon and Tim: I got the downcast LP rip from you (Tim) and I think it sounds fine (maybe not great, but better than I remember my own vinyl copy ever sounding). I don't know about Death Metal Dan's copy, but I really think there were different pressings and the ones from the batch that I got just sounded shitty. But I may be wrong... Anyway, long story short I think it is worth a try to listen to Tim's copy. I still have it on Mediafire if you want me to put that link up here, Tim?, save you some hassle!?!

11:20 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

Hi again. Luciferyellow, that would be great if you could repost the link. I noticed that Tim did have it, but the link has expired. Appreciate the assistance!

9:05 AM  
Blogger luciferyellow said...

Try this one:

http://www.mediafire.com/?dzlbyeb2znq

1:05 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

Thanks - that link for the Downcast LP worked. I appreciate it!

11:50 PM  
Blogger toxik boys said...

a clasic band!, thanks a lot!

9:17 PM  

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