posted by Jeff Chord at 4:46 PM
he died on sept 11th?never a big Warzone fan, but Raybeez was huge in NYC...
Nice! Good memory...that was like Victory's 9/11. Jesus, they just would not let that shit die. If I wanted to stare at what was to most, a meaningless death date I'd've gone a picked up one of Henry Rollins' books.(no disrespect to R, of course)
what do you mean?
I mean that sticking an R.I.P to something whether it's a record, a book or one of those fucking ridiculous yellow ribbon car magnets doesn't honor shit. If anything it detracts from the memories and genuine feelings. It becomes commodified.
Technically it was victory's 9/11 seeing as how it happened on 9/11.Either way I really like Warzone and the dude did a lot for a scene I enjoy and partake in. Sorry to waste precious html.
Backmasking said... I mean that sticking an R.I.P to something whether it's a record, a book or one of those fucking ridiculous yellow ribbon car magnets doesn't honor shit. If anything it detracts from the memories and genuine feelings. It becomes commodified. ********************me:oh, i figured you were talking about joe cole, i know henrys birthday is the name of his company, and i was wondering if he had joe cole r.i.p. dates on his books.
jeff, youre fully backed by me.RIPs are fine if it means something to the people who use them... they mean something different to everyone...the meaning is held in the beholder... or something like that..
Certainly that is the case but I just think some people become so *beholden* that they don't afford themselves the broader view. Public remembrance/RIPs are all well and good if somebody wants to go that route, just consider the "why"'s that might drive their actions. This thing - call it hardcore, "the scene" or whatever - is a pretty amazing entity. I know it. And I was just thinking out loud anyway...who was it that said "I yell because I care"?
well, speaking personally, my grandfather died last year almost to the day.. a very dear man to me who had no ilness and just died on the sidewalk after grocery shopping one day. the date comes again this 18th... i have made memorials wishing him to Rest In Peace, and for me that means alot, but it is also certainly not the only point to be made on his death. he is remembered in many ways beyond that. He meant alot to me as Ive never had a father, so he functioned as such, so the relativity of this issue is ever present.not that i dont understand what your saying, and Raybeez isnt anyone heres grandfather, but if someone feels it fitting to offer and RIP in memoriam then I think its just as well and good to allow that person that grace. all that aside, I know that quote from somwhere, but i cant recall exactly where...anyone?
Not to jump into this conversation from out of left field, but as a huge warzone fan I've gotta say that pretty much everything Tony Victory has ever done has been to advance his own image, rather than uphold/uplift/advance/whatever the hardcore scene. His putting any sort of memorial to Raybeez on Victory's albums is yet another way of making himself out to be "hard core", or "down with the scene", or what have you. Of course this is all just my opinion.
still, Tony Brummel may suck the fat dick, but Raybeez was mighty awesome.. he epitomizes NYHC...this is about Ray. Tony B can suck it...
I second that emotion, Anonymous.
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